Betfair’s Fake Suspends

There’s a thread up on the Footy forum on the Betfair site started by Tony Broke which basically says there seems to be more fake suspends than ever on in play matches.  The thread has surprisingly only attracted 26 replies in 4 days so far, many of which are bemoaning the fact that some of the match markets are nigh on impossible to get on due to the suspended sign appearing on and off throughout the game at seemingly random times.  For example it appears when the ball is bouncing around in the middle of the park, or out for a throw in, or at other times during a seemingly dull piece of play.  Obviously it appears if something interesting takes place like a goal or a penno or a red card or a fight though none of these things usually occur during an Argy 2nd division game as they usually finish 0-0.

One poster, wittily going by the name of ShirleyKnot, has this to say…

“ShirleyKnot 23 Mar 12 20:58

I will expand.

Bookies and betfair use third parties to collect their data.  All that is happening is betfair are not putting loads of bums on seats to watch obscure games, they use those outside providers, as they collect data to trigger a suspend too.

Not trainees, logical for betfair but probably frustrating.”

That makes perfect sense.  With the amount of in play offerings from totally obscure parts of the world it’s obviously not the case that Betfair have a guy actively watching the game live at every in play game they offer but that said I can’t have it that their feeds are interrupted to the point that some matches spend as much time suspended as they do in play (at least is seems that way sometimes).

The thing that I notice though is that most of these matches that suffer like this are between nondescript teams but not only that, they appear in games where there isn’t that much liquidity which is usually during games that are played in the early hours if you are UK based.  I have a theory of my own on this and I would gladly share it on the Betfair Footy forum if the bastards would lift my posting ban (more of that to come).  I think it’s the big single player market makers that are doing this, not because there’s a feed problem, but to allow them time to readjust their positions in the market and take advantage of the crumbs that are scattered about left by the diehards that get involved in these games (chasing, boredom, addicts, whatever).

Why is it that every time a suspend occurs but no goal is scored 9 times out of 10 you’ll find the market gets re-seeded with stupidly odd amounts?  And why is it that when this occurs there’s never any decent money available on anything other than the current score in say the Correct Score market when two minutes before the suspend there may well have been?

Someone is manipulating those markets and using the suspend button to provide the timeouts they need to get their figures right in markets that don’t carry the interest of say a top 5 EPL or similar standard game.  I may be wrong but in this day and age glitches like this should be next to nonexistant and it stinks to high heaven.  It would be interesting if someone with more of an idea of how these markets work than me would care to illuminate us with a comment or two.

More Forum Grief

Yes, I’ve fallen foul of the facking forum moderators AGAIN.  My last remaining account that wasn’t blocked suspended or banned bit the dust yesterday or maybe even today.  It’s not like I’ve been using the thing with impunity.  I used it two days ago to say hello to serially banned forumite Brainsurgeon (who is alive and well and posting these days as *******, well I couldn’t very well say his new name now could I?).

I posted twice, once to him and once to give someone a bit of advice on what to do about a laptop that won’t charge properly.  Fucking shoot me.  I have nothing but hatred for the people running the forums because they have no interest in it’s well being.  They won’t be happy until Betfair goes the same way as Betdaq and bins the forum altogether.  Yes there are a lot of clowns on there but it drives me nuts that some of the really hardcore arsehole posters manage to stay on there yet I call someone a batty boy and I’m hung out to dry (yes, in TSE’s view that’s a terribly serious insult worthy of a lifer ban) .

If anyone from TSE is reading this you can expect another email from me tomorrow a.m. as you seem to have misplaced the one I sent you on Saturday morning as so far I haven’t had a reply (which seems to be par for the course when you’ve managed to fall foul of them).

There you have it.  Feel free to comment, even if it’s only about the weather.  But especially if you came here as a result of searching Google about being banned from Betfair…Christ knows you aren’t alone.

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4 Responses to Betfair’s Fake Suspends

  1. Bob says:

    well said swearbox. TSE is a joke

  2. Uk_Trader says:

    Hi there,

    First of all let me introduce myself;
    25 years in the gambling industry; 15 of these years I have been a professional trader. I have been banned or limitted from all the traditional bookmakers therefore, Betfair & BetDaq are the only options that I had!!

    Betfair was designed to enable bookmakers to lay huge bets. Then other people start using it which changed so many things. Liquidity has grown dramatically which is great for me however the Betfair bots has been increased too which is a very negative factor.

    When you asking to back an outcome and you are the 1st user to have ask that price, if betfair bots want to ask for that price to, they will get matched 1st!!!!

    Horseracing:
    Betfair straight con.
    People thing that the prices of the horses keep changing due to insiders info etc….
    That’s wrong. It doesn’t matter what info you have it a fck horserace. What actually is happening betfair alongside with other bookmakers trying to back horses at a very high price or lay at a very low price, and expect unaware bettors to lay/back them bets. 99% of the times it will happen and once that occurs the odds decrease/increase so quickly as they taking all the money and that gives them an easy lay and profit before the race starts.

    Can I beat it???

    Yes you can, just be careful not to get caught and make sure you understand trading inside out and that you are aware about the trading risks and so on. You need to have a decent trading budget to successfully achieve this. A decent budget must be at least £20K from both sides!

    1. Firstly open a brand new bank account purely for a trading purpose. Deposit an x amount that you are prepared to loose at one go.
    2. Open a BF account and deposit that x amount.
    3. Get you best mate, cousin or the most trustworthy person in you circle to do the same thing as per 1 & 2 (this person need to understand trading and not live at the same address as you or if he/she does, not to share the same ISP 🙂 )
    4. Depending what budget you both have that will be decisive of which market you will be entering to trade. The total amount of your money must be 4 times higher that the liquidity of the market/selection that you will be trading.
    5. Select markets that do not start in the next 2-3 hours and that the back and lay odds have a decent marginal odds gap (Penetration 1) or The odds have been settled and there is a very small gap.(Penetration 2)

    All set and here how you do it:
    Penetration 1:
    As there is a big gap between back and lay you need to start creating a graph that other traders/bettors will be looking at later on. It is important that you make the graph prices going down which help with your liability factors. I will give a quick example so it makes it easier to work on.
    Germany C – England C
    Market: 1 x 2
    Team to trade: Germany
    Current Liquidity: £3000
    Kick off: 2 hours to go
    Trading amount x 2 : £12000
    Germany back: 1.4 , Lay 2.5

    From the above you can see that the market hasn’t been settled and the liquidity is very low which mean we can controll the odds. Check the odds against 2-3 popular bookies and identify the price. Let’s say here for Germany C they were offering 1.80. On BF it will reach ateast 1.85 and these won’t be lower that 1.8.
    Start the backing of Germany C @ 2.00
    Second user lay that @ 2.00
    Set another backer @ 1.99
    Lay that from the other end
    Another @ 1.95
    Lay that
    Do the same procedure and create a small graph which goes mainly downwords once you grave reached

  3. Uk_Trader says:

    Hi there,

    First of all let me introduce myself;
    25 years in the gambling industry; 15 of these years I have been a professional trader. I have been banned or limitted from all the traditional bookmakers therefore, Betfair & BetDaq are the only options that I had!!

    Betfair was designed to enable bookmakers to lay huge bets. Then other people start using it which changed so many things. Liquidity has grown dramatically which is great for me however the Betfair bots has been increased too which is a very negative factor.

    When you asking to back an outcome and you are the 1st user to have ask that price, if betfair bots want to ask for that price too, they will get matched 1st!!!!

    Horseracing:
    Betfair straight con.
    People think that the prices of the horses keep changing due to insiders info etc….
    That’s wrong. It doesn’t matter what info you have it a fck horserace. What actually is happening betfair alongside with other bookmakers trying to back horses at a very high price or lay at a very low price, and expect unaware bettors to lay/back them bets. 99% of the times it will happen and once that occurs the odds decrease/increase so quickly as they taking all the money and that gives them an easy lay and profit before the race starts.

    Can I beat it???

    Yes you can, just be careful not to get caught and make sure you understand trading inside out and that you are aware about the trading risks and so on. You need to have a decent trading budget to successfully achieve this. A decent budget must be at least £20K from both sides, unless you are trading on a very Los liquidity markets which you can probably manage with £2K-£3K.

    1. Firstly open a brand new bank account purely for a trading purpose. Deposit an x amount that you are prepared to loose at one go.
    2. Open a BF account and deposit that x amount.
    3. Get you best mate, cousin or the most trustworthy person in you circle to do the same thing as per 1 & 2 (this person need to understand trading and not live at the same address as you or if he/she does, not to share the same ISP 🙂 )
    4. Depending what budget you both have that will be decisive of which market you will be entering to trade. The total amount of your money must be 4 times higher that the liquidity of the market/selection that you will be trading.
    5. Select markets that do not start in the next 3-4 hours and that the back and lay odds have a decent marginal odds gap (Penetration 1) or The odds have been settled and there is a very small gap.(Penetration 2)

    All set and here how you do it:
    Penetration 1:
    As there is a big gap between back and lay you need to start creating a graph that other traders/bettors will be looking at later on. It is important that you make the graph prices going down which help with your liability factors. I will give a quick example so it makes it easier to work on.
    Germany C – England C
    Market: 1 x 2
    Team to trade: Germany
    Current Liquidity: £3000
    Kick off: 4 hours to go
    Trading amount x 2 : £12000
    Germany back: 1.4 , Lay 2.5

    From the above you can see that the market hasn’t been settled and the liquidity is very low which mean we can controll the odds. Check the odds against 2-3 popular bookies and identify the price. Let’s say here for Germany C they were offering 2.10. On BF it will reach atleast 2.15 and these won’t be lower that 2.05.
    Start the backing & laying!

    ******************deleted******************^
    From here it is very straight forward to get the principle. If you have any problems you can get in touch with me from yah00 uk.

    Thanks
    donikoues

  4. Andy says:

    I have used betfair for a long time and only on football laying 2.5 goals and cashing out after 15 mins.
    More and more often a game is being suspended for no reason at all.
    This is costing me money as I’m unable to trade.
    Surely betfair can’t lose a feed when I can get one. They have said there’s no liquidity but how can there be if it’s suspended.
    It’s pathetic that they give lame reasons.
    It’s a pathetic company just ripping rope off

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